No definitive diagnosis

I waited 5 months to see a neurologist at the University of Michigan. Needless to say it was rather disappointing.

The resident had never heard of EM but I gave him the brochure from the EMF & he took it to his attending physician. The attending had read only one article about EM. So at least he had heard of it. He said it is usually seen in the rheumatology department. I explained I had had a full extensive work up from my local rheumatologist who didn't have a clue as to what was going on with me & that it was difficult to know what specialist to go to since so few doctors are aware of this disease. He didn't feel educated enough about EM to actually give me a diagnosis but he felt I was probably right about having it. The doctor did know enough about it to realize that I have tried every drug available out there that is used to treat EM because I have already taken them to treat my fibro/CFS and that I can't take them because of all the side effects I get. The brochure did mention using calcium antagonists so he was going to recommend to my GP that I try one at a very low dose but considering how I respond to drugs it isn't looking too promising.

To those of you who are taking Lyrica & having good results, congrats! I was told by my pharmacist that it seems to either really work for someone or too many side effects which of course is the category I fall into. I wish I could take aspirin as I see it has been helpful to others but I have ringing in my ears & aspirin is just horrible for making it worse & intolerable.

Well, I don't need a name/diagnosis from a doctor to know that there is something seriously wrong with me. I know in my heart that I have EM. The resident at U of M did state that he had learned something new. We have to become our own advocates & be proactive in figuring out what is going on & help educate our doctors. That is if they will listen. Unfortunately, it seems like most doctors don't want to take the time to educate themselves regarding something that is new to them.

You must be so frustrated!

I suffered from the 'unknown' for 2 years before my GP finally decided to send me to Rheumatology. Luckily for me, within 10 minutes of talking to the Consultant and he examining my feet and pressure points, he diagnosed me with EM and FM. I burst into tears with relief that I wasn't going out of my mind. Although the medication (Naproxen and Amyltriptiline) have very little effect. At least the next time my GP tells me 'I must cut down on my pain med' I have a very valid reason (he made me feel so bad). In order to actually get through a day I have to take this crap.

I have no idea yet whether the EM and FM have anything to do with my chest being so bad. 2 years ago I contracted Swine Flu. Was very poorly and then started to cough up blood. It eventually stopped with antib's but it seems I get a bout at least once a month, so am off to the 'Chest Clinic' on Monday. The GP already sent me for a chest X-ray and nothing showed up. It's as though everything is breaking down at the same time. Very depressed and feel that my kids and husband have had enough of me telling them how I'm feeling. I need some kind of support and feel incredibly lonely.

Janice, I don't blame you for feeling depressed & lonely. I hope you can find some encouragement on this site. It made me feel somewhat better just to know I'm not suffering alone and others get what I am going through.

I'm sorry you have the FM on top of it. My advise is if you can tolerate the meds that are recommended for FM/CFS take them! Do whatever can make your life more manageable. I have been very disabled with FM/CFS for 23 years. I've had to learn to live my life with lots of limits if I didn't want to end up in bed most of the time and when I have a CFS flare there is no rhyme or reason to it. I was doing the best I had in 18years, lost weight, was slowly, very slowly trying to exercise and then wham out of the blue I was at the store & felt like I had been hit by a Mac truck. I was so fatigued that just driving 1 mile to the library & picking up books they were holding for me totally wiped me out for the day. That bout lasted 6 months. I almost missed my brother's wedding.

Wow, swine flu that must have been terrible! I hope you get some answers regarding your chest. I was married when I was fist ill with the FM/CFS but had no children. The marriage didn't last which was already in trouble before I was ill but the illness just made things worse. He didn't believe there was anything wrong with me because the doctors couldn't find anything. After a year & a half I was diagnosed at Cleveland Clinic with FM/CFS. I know how frustrating it can be not to have the support from the ones who love you best.

Check out this website http://www.wikihow.com/Understand-Someone-With-Chronic-Pain. I would have your family members read it to have some idea on how to help you cope with your pain. The YouTube at the bottom of the page is what first informed about EM & made me wonder if that was what I had.

Good luck!


Janice Garbutt said:

You must be so frustrated!

I suffered from the 'unknown' for 2 years before my GP finally decided to send me to Rheumatology. Luckily for me, within 10 minutes of talking to the Consultant and he examining my feet and pressure points, he diagnosed me with EM and FM. I burst into tears with relief that I wasn't going out of my mind. Although the medication (Naproxen and Amyltriptiline) have very little effect. At least the next time my GP tells me 'I must cut down on my pain med' I have a very valid reason (he made me feel so bad). In order to actually get through a day I have to take this crap.

I have no idea yet whether the EM and FM have anything to do with my chest being so bad. 2 years ago I contracted Swine Flu. Was very poorly and then started to cough up blood. It eventually stopped with antib's but it seems I get a bout at least once a month, so am off to the 'Chest Clinic' on Monday. The GP already sent me for a chest X-ray and nothing showed up. It's as though everything is breaking down at the same time. Very depressed and feel that my kids and husband have had enough of me telling them how I'm feeling. I need some kind of support and feel incredibly lonely.

You are exactly right no doctor seem to care about something they no nothing about.We have to

figure out what is wrong with us then clue the doctors in.But it seems more and more it is all about the MONEY.pretty disapointing.

Dale

My dear lizzi,

It sounds as if we are pretty much in the same boat. :(

We both understand that it must be difficult for our partner to be emotionally empathetic every day, but as you said, just a hug would make me feel that he's there for me. We have got to the stage now where we hardly talk. He told me recently he 'had enough of me complaining how poorly I feel and how difficult I find looking after 4 kids on a daily basis'. Ok, he works but I never have any help with chores, he just plugs his ear 'phones in and is in another world. I am feeling so damn depressed with all this and my youngest two kids who are at college are such hard work, I just want to run away.

lizzie, I too have isolated myself since I had to give up work. I find it incredibly hard to go out due to the constant pain, and have cut all ties with friends, maybe due to the depression. Maybe we could keep in touch by e-mail or facebook.

Keep going girl, I'm sending you a virtual hug. Hope you feel it.

Jan x

WOW! This is so sad, but I soooooo understand where you are all coming from, EXCEPT your partner in life. I won't boast --- well, maybe I will, because mine deserves to be bragged about. But understand that we've been married almost 50 years, so we take those "vows" seriously. He sure does as he has been through it all with me: PMS FROM the beginning; type AAA personallity so every thing I did was full blast, then totally wiped out; TMJ/braces and TWO surgeries; The Big H surgery, then to appease me, we adopted an adorable baby boy - who is now 28 and still living at home! THEN - CFS/FM - in 1990, followed by migraines - every few days, which meant at least 2 full days - out of operation; then the BIG M; kidney stone the size of a shooter marble and all that entailed to PASS and HEAL in 2001; then a knee injury and my whinning and moaning and walking like a cripple; THEN the other knee and surgery - and in 4 years THAT hasn't improved and then 2.5 years ago a diagnosis of POLYCYTHEMIA RUBRA VERA!!!! The fatigue of that in the beginning was unbelievable and THEN the cold toes, followed by BURNING FEET - so he'd put the socks on then I'd rip them off. Thankfully, on my MPDchat group, the moderator told me to take aspirin - which I should have been taking anyway for the PV, but it scared me because of the potential stomach issue. But it helped - until last summer when my family finally called in Gentiva to see what HELP they might be able to offer - like exercise routine, etc. I jumped on that, but was quickly "sat down" - the exercise caused the EM TO FLARE!!!! AND right in the middle w/the swollen feet, etc., which I've never had unless there's an underlying issue - I awoke on a Sat. a.m. with amazing back pain, nausea, etc. & by noon I was in ER with ANOTHER KIDNEY STONE! As the kidney began healing, the swelling ceased, but the EM continued. Meanwhile we have moved to a new home - with stairs as I am determined NOT to allow all this to change my life completely [ I have to be VERY CAREFUL]. I've been okay - until yesterday and now the EM is flaring. HOWEVER, I must share that it's no where NEAR the PAIN I see expressed here. Mine is also a "follow-on" to the PV, but as you experienced, my PCP and his associate would not even discuss it w/me and told me to KEEP EXERCISING! My Hematologist was on vacation when this was happening, but when he returned in August, he reluctantly dx'd. the EM. WHY RELUCTANTLY? ????? And no offer of medication/info. SO, THANKFULLY, through reading here and some posts on my MPNForum.com, tidbits get dropped and I am working with whatever I can find on my own. As many here, I gave up "life as I'd always known it" about 4 years ago - falling flat on my face coming out of re-hab for the knee surgery just put the brakes on my ever wanting to re-live THAT incident in public ever again, so like many here, I've become a recluse. My husband, who was NEVER EVER asked to stop by the grocery store on the way home, now does ALL the shopping - has for 4 years. My son does the major chores in our home otherwise we would be quarantined as I sure can't do them - and he's great - we laugh that if you stop moving, he'll rip the clothes right off your body and chuck them into the washer! He keeps the floors spotless - as he knows I must walk around most of the time w/bare feet. OH, sometimes I do wear socks I ordered from Dr. Whitaker in Newport Beach - you can googgle him. They are for diabetics, but when the pain is overwhelming, I do wear them for a few hours and they HELP. Because of the PV, poor circulation IS a factor and those work wonders. They might also help with the EM....not sure. One thing I have read - DO NOT SOAK YOUR FEET IN COLD/COOL WATER! SO, my life goes on and who knows WHEN the FM/CFS hit as the PV pretty much covers it all and the 24/7 pain is sometimes almost unbearable. I'm thankful I have my husband and son ---- and three lovely daughters, 3 natural granddaughters, 4 adopted grandchildren, 3 adopted great grandchildren and a 7-mo. old great grand son --- all to keep my mind off my pain. Just wish they all lived nearby, but they are spread around the four corners of the US and I am in N. CALIFORNIA.

You are a very blessed woman to have loved ones who support you & help keep the house running. I'm single but I'm also very blessed with parents who are always there but they are 75 now & can't help out quite as much. I have a wonderful sister who will do my laundry when needed and both my brother & sister will do grocery shopping too.

My heart goes out to both Janice & Lizzi who struggling so much. I'm sure there are plenty of others out there that don't have the family support that they really need either. Chronic illness just takes a huge toll on the whole family.

PV'd in CA said:

WOW! This is so sad, but I soooooo understand where you are all coming from, EXCEPT your partner in life. I won't boast --- well, maybe I will, because mine deserves to be bragged about. But understand that we've been married almost 50 years, so we take those "vows" seriously. He sure does as he has been through it all with me: PMS FROM the beginning; type AAA personallity so every thing I did was full blast, then totally wiped out; TMJ/braces and TWO surgeries; The Big H surgery, then to appease me, we adopted an adorable baby boy - who is now 28 and still living at home! THEN - CFS/FM - in 1990, followed by migraines - every few days, which meant at least 2 full days - out of operation; then the BIG M; kidney stone the size of a shooter marble and all that entailed to PASS and HEAL in 2001; then a knee injury and my whinning and moaning and walking like a cripple; THEN the other knee and surgery - and in 4 years THAT hasn't improved and then 2.5 years ago a diagnosis of POLYCYTHEMIA RUBRA VERA!!!! The fatigue of that in the beginning was unbelievable and THEN the cold toes, followed by BURNING FEET - so he'd put the socks on then I'd rip them off. Thankfully, on my MPDchat group, the moderator told me to take aspirin - which I should have been taking anyway for the PV, but it scared me because of the potential stomach issue. But it helped - until last summer when my family finally called in Gentiva to see what HELP they might be able to offer - like exercise routine, etc. I jumped on that, but was quickly "sat down" - the exercise caused the EM TO FLARE!!!! AND right in the middle w/the swollen feet, etc., which I've never had unless there's an underlying issue - I awoke on a Sat. a.m. with amazing back pain, nausea, etc. & by noon I was in ER with ANOTHER KIDNEY STONE! As the kidney began healing, the swelling ceased, but the EM continued. Meanwhile we have moved to a new home - with stairs as I am determined NOT to allow all this to change my life completely [ I have to be VERY CAREFUL]. I've been okay - until yesterday and now the EM is flaring. HOWEVER, I must share that it's no where NEAR the PAIN I see expressed here. Mine is also a "follow-on" to the PV, but as you experienced, my PCP and his associate would not even discuss it w/me and told me to KEEP EXERCISING! My Hematologist was on vacation when this was happening, but when he returned in August, he reluctantly dx'd. the EM. WHY RELUCTANTLY? ????? And no offer of medication/info. SO, THANKFULLY, through reading here and some posts on my MPNForum.com, tidbits get dropped and I am working with whatever I can find on my own. As many here, I gave up "life as I'd always known it" about 4 years ago - falling flat on my face coming out of re-hab for the knee surgery just put the brakes on my ever wanting to re-live THAT incident in public ever again, so like many here, I've become a recluse. My husband, who was NEVER EVER asked to stop by the grocery store on the way home, now does ALL the shopping - has for 4 years. My son does the major chores in our home otherwise we would be quarantined as I sure can't do them - and he's great - we laugh that if you stop moving, he'll rip the clothes right off your body and chuck them into the washer! He keeps the floors spotless - as he knows I must walk around most of the time w/bare feet. OH, sometimes I do wear socks I ordered from Dr. Whitaker in Newport Beach - you can googgle him. They are for diabetics, but when the pain is overwhelming, I do wear them for a few hours and they HELP. Because of the PV, poor circulation IS a factor and those work wonders. They might also help with the EM....not sure. One thing I have read - DO NOT SOAK YOUR FEET IN COLD/COOL WATER! SO, my life goes on and who knows WHEN the FM/CFS hit as the PV pretty much covers it all and the 24/7 pain is sometimes almost unbearable. I'm thankful I have my husband and son ---- and three lovely daughters, 3 natural granddaughters, 4 adopted grandchildren, 3 adopted great grandchildren and a 7-mo. old great grand son --- all to keep my mind off my pain. Just wish they all lived nearby, but they are spread around the four corners of the US and I am in N. CALIFORNIA.

I guess that's why I was sharing my blessings - I can't imagine not having the daily support system. I'm 65 and my husband is 70, so our son's help is critical. And every time my husband goes out to run the errands it breaks my heart, but I am helpless to do a thing about it. Yesterday a friend invited me to brunch, but I had to try once again to explain to her why I could not "go". She never emailed back. Even people who do have lesser forms of chronic illness/pain, do not always understand. I also remember those days of CFS/FM with my son in K-6 and finally we had to homeschool him as I could not keep up the activities - outside. Looking back on those days, I cannot believe how far I have fallen! Those were easy days!

Yes, it is very sad when our partner in life "zones us out"!!! My husband is still very active in his career but also w/pain, so in some ways he understands and is so very tolerant. My heart aches for anyone who must go through life - alone and ill. THEN when the physicians don't seem to care, it's devastating - I went into a depression last summer based on that alone.

Yes Girls... we are all in the same boat.... :((

After foot surgery I had to stop working (that was 2 yrs. ago) & I'm emerging from a fog of chronic pain. I spent approx. 10 months in a wheelchair (which involved a second surgery, therapy, bone infection) ... During that time I was in 3 different leg casts thru a summer of 90 degree heat... EM was raging & I didn't even know it!!! What a nightmare. Back to my primary GP, I explained my fatigue & depression so he ordered blood tests.. It showed Polycythemia & off to the Hemotologist. Phlebotomies improved my bone marrow function but after 3 mo. complaining he finally said he didn't know anything about this EM that I had found online.....

I went back to my primary care physician and he LISTENED !!! He uped my Zoloft from 100 mg. to 150 a day, put me on Lyrica & ordered blood tests for possible metal poisoning. At least he is going along w/ me :))

Meanwhile, my husband & I are both retired. He is NO !!!!!!! support at all!!! never has been or doesn't know how to...

For years he has been complaining, Something is always wrong with you, don't you ever feel good??

The past yr. he has offered a few times to go to the Dr. appts.with me but really only wants to know what the drs. told me...

OK.. I'll stop complaining. Just wanted you all to know that I'm severly depressed, feel all alone & basically only have this website for support.

Oh my gosh! You have been through it girl! I can't even imagine what the last 2 years have been like for you! Like you said "What a nightmare!". I'm so happy your GP is listening. I hope when I follow up with mine from my U of M referral that my GP will listen too.

It has been 23 years since FM/CFS diagnosis & I was married at the time & no children. My husband also didn't believe there was any thing wrong with me & gave me no support. Our marriage was already in trouble & getting sick just sped up the demise of our marriage. Thankfully I have wonderful parents & a sister who is my best friend. They never once questioned that I was really ill.

Thank goodness for this support group! I know so many are in the same boat as you Gwen regarding family not understanding. I'm actually relatively new to the computer age. I just got one two years ago & it has been such a huge help.

Gwen said:

Yes Girls... we are all in the same boat.... :((

After foot surgery I had to stop working (that was 2 yrs. ago) & I'm emerging from a fog of chronic pain. I spent approx. 10 months in a wheelchair (which involved a second surgery, therapy, bone infection) ... During that time I was in 3 different leg casts thru a summer of 90 degree heat... EM was raging & I didn't even know it!!! What a nightmare. Back to my primary GP, I explained my fatigue & depression so he ordered blood tests.. It showed Polycythemia & off to the Hemotologist. Phlebotomies improved my bone marrow function but after 3 mo. complaining he finally said he didn't know anything about this EM that I had found online.....

I went back to my primary care physician and he LISTENED !!! He uped my Zoloft from 100 mg. to 150 a day, put me on Lyrica & ordered blood tests for possible metal poisoning. At least he is going along w/ me :))

Meanwhile, my husband & I are both retired. He is NO !!!!!!! support at all!!! never has been or doesn't know how to...

For years he has been complaining, Something is always wrong with you, don't you ever feel good??

The past yr. he has offered a few times to go to the Dr. appts.with me but really only wants to know what the drs. told me...

OK.. I'll stop complaining. Just wanted you all to know that I'm severly depressed, feel all alone & basically only have this website for support.

Gwen, I also have PV....do you have a support group for that? If not, I can recommend a couple that you might try....that are very good and you will get more/most helpful info from there as opposed to doctors - sad-to-say. LMK if interested....

Yes, I would be interested !!! I don't have a support group other than this website !!!

http://mpnforum.com/2012/01/10/looking-back-looking-ahead/#comments

Gwen, This is where to begin. This is an overview of a recently established "forum"/monthly magazine format started by "Zhen" and a few others whom I consider to be THE EXPERTS - patients or spouses of patients and living the experience first hand of Myloproliferative Neoplasms. Many are connected to THE EXPERT physicians around the globe and since this is a ww group....you get to read all the latest info/research data/etc.

Also, I suggest you check out 23andMe.com which has just launched a study - via DNA - to determine IF there might be a common denominator for these disorders/cancers. I sent my sample in last fall and waited a couple of weeks and back came results - not so much about my PV, but since I checked all the boxes - everything imaginable! There is also a FB group associated w/the MPNForum and I believe there is a link w/i the magazine. If you do not find it LMK and I'll get it for you. [There are also a couple of other groups, but I'd begin w/this one - for now. Be sure to check out back issues of MPNForum - which Zhen puts online on the 15th of each month. Keep in Touch.....LMK what you think....

Thanks... I will definately try these...

I did apply for membership on FB forum with EM but never heard back from them.

Again, Thank you so much for the info :)